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Jan. 6 Hearing: Watch Live With Analysis




“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” [cheering] They came from all 50 states out of some sense of patriotic duty … “It’s so much more than just rallying for President Trump. It’s really rallying for our way of life. The American dream, against fake news.” … to protest an election they believed had been stolen. “Stop the steal! Stop the steal!” “We’re here, patriots. We’re in Washington D.C. Capitol building dead in front of us.” Their day of action would be Jan. 6 … “The House comes to order.” … when Congress would count electoral ballots and ratify the 2020 election results. For some, it was just a rally for their president. For others, it was a call to arms. “We have the power in numbers. March on Congress directly after Trump’s speech.” In the weeks beforehand, there were over a million mentions on social media of storming the Capitol. Maps were shared of the building’s layout. There was talk of bringing weapons and ammunition, and discussion over which lawmakers should be targeted first. This anger was based on a lie. “This election was a fraud.” A lie that had grown more frenzied after the election. “President Trump won this election.” “They were flipping votes.” “Steal the election in Philadelphia.” “When you win in a landslide and they —” “Steal the election in Atlanta —” “And it’s rigged —” “Steal the election in Milwaukee —” “It’s not acceptable.” “This is outrageous.” A lie spread by the president and his closest allies. “Let’s call out cheating when we find it.” Some of whom stoked calls for violence. “All hell is going to break loose tomorrow.” “Everyone’s going to remember who actually stands in the breach and fights tomorrow. And who goes running off like a chicken.” “We bleed freedom.” “This will be their Waterloo.” “And we will sacrifice for freedom.” “This will be their destruction.” “U.S.A.! U.S.A.!” What happened next was chaos. “They broke the glass?” Insurrection. “Take it now!” “Treason! Treason!” Death. Then, there began a campaign to whitewash history, starting at the top. “It was a zero threat. Right from the start, it was zero threat.” And spreading throughout the Republican Party. “Even calling it an insurrection, It wasn’t. By and large, it was peaceful protest.” One lawmaker, who helped barricade the House doors, now suggests there was barely any threat. “If you didn’t know the TV footage was a video from January the 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit.” A tourist visit this was not. And the proof is in the footage. As part of a six-month investigation, The New York Times has collected and forensically analyzed thousands of videos, most filmed by the rioters themselves. We obtained internal police radio traffic … … and went to court to unseal police body-cam footage. Our reconstruction shows the Capitol riot for what it was, a violent assault encouraged by the president on a seat of democracy that he vowed to protect. We’ll chart how police leaders failed to heed warnings of an impending attack, putting rank-and-file officers in danger. We’ll track key instigators in the mob taking advantage of weaknesses in the Capitol’s defenses to ignite a wave of violence that engulfed the building. We’ll show, for the first time, the many simultaneous points of attack, and the eight breaches of what appeared to be an impenetrable institution of government. We’ll show how the delay to secure Congress likely cost a rioter her life. And how for some, storming the Capitol was part of the plan, all along. “In fact, tomorrow, I don’t even like to say it because I’ll be arrested.” “Well, let’s not say it. We need to go — I’ll say it.” “All right.” “We need to go in to the Capitol.” “Let’s go!” It’s the morning of Jan. 6, and thousands are filling the National Mall in Washington. Trump will speak here at the Ellipse, a large park near the White House and a half-hour walk to the U.S. Capitol where the election will be certified. Who is actually in this crowd? Most are ordinary citizens who believe Trump’s lie that the election was stolen. “It’s going to be a great day. It’s going to be wild, as Trump says.” But we also see more extreme groups who’ve gained a following during Trump’s presidency. There are followers of the QAnon conspiracy … “Drinking their blood, eating our babies.” … who believe that Trump is facing down a cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles. Q posts often invoked notions of patriotism and predict a coming storm. And ahead of Jan. 6, some supporters call for violence. The Oath Keepers, a far-right paramilitary group, are also here. “We have men already stationed outside D.C. —” Their leader has said the group is ready to follow Trump’s orders and take members of what they call the “Deep State” into custody. They’re organized, staging their military-style equipment neatly on the ground. And later, they put on body armor, talk on radios, and chat with their supporters on a walkie-talkie app called Zello. “We have a good group. We got about 30, 40, of us who are sticking together and sticking to the plan. Y’all, we’re one block away from the Capitol, now. I’m probably going to go silent when I get there because I’m going to be a little busy.” Another group is the Proud Boys. They’re far-right nationalists who flashed white power signs throughout the day. “Check out all this testosterone.” They became a household name when Trump invoked them during a presidential debate. “Proud Boys, stand back and stand by.” And that’s what they did. They have a history of street violence and will be key instigators of the riot. We’ll return to them soon. Although the rally is billed as a political protest, some make calls to storm the Capitol even before Trump speaks. And later, when Trump does take the stage … “We’re going to walk down to the Capitol.” … some hear his words as a call to action. “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building.” Two hours before this, the Proud Boys were already heading for the Capitol. They’re clearly spoiling for a fight with far-left agitators like antifa, who they believe are in D.C. But there are moments that suggest another motive. “Come on, tighten up.” “Come on, boys. They’re organized, too. Many are marked with orange tape or hats. They’re wearing body armor, carrying baseball bats and using radios. “That’s affirmative. Jesse, this is Tucker” Leading them is Ethan Nordean, who’s been entrusted with so-called war powers. He’s joined by other well-known Proud Boys like Joe Biggs, an organizer from Florida, Dominic Pezzola, a former Marine, and Billy Chrestman. They will be among the first rioters inside the Capitol building. “Proud Boys.” As Trump is speaking, some of his other supporters also head to the Capitol. Chanting: “Whose streets? Our streets! Whose streets? Our streets!” And the tone is becoming menacing. “And we’re going to storm the [expletive] Capitol. [expletive] you, [expletive].” “U.S.A.! U.S.A.!” Just ahead, officers guarding the building are understaffed and ill-equipped for what’s coming their way. “You going to stop us?” The building is more than two football fields in length. And barricades erected on the east side are defended by just a few dozen officers. The west side, facing Trump’s rally, is even lighter. The fencing has been extended and on the northwest approach, only five officers stand guard. Around five also defend the southwest approach, a few more dot the lawn and about a dozen officers are behind them. Plans to storm the Capitol were made in plain sight, but the F.B.I. and Department of Homeland Security did not deem those threats as credible. “We will take that building!” “U.S.A.! U.S.A.!” Capitol Police leaders and Washington’s mayor were warned at least three times of violent threats, but also didn’t take them seriously or circulate that information. And they declined offers of security personnel from federal and other agencies. They could have enlisted several hundred more Capitol police for duty on Jan. 6, but did not. And none of the officers on the barricades have protective gear or crowd-control equipment. As a result, the Capitol is sparsely defended. “Whose House? Our House! Whose House? Our House!” It’s 12:50 p.m. and a large group of Proud Boys is with other protesters right by the Capitol Police line. Joe Biggs is rallying them. When he’s approached by Ryan Samsel, a Trump supporter from Pennsylvania. They chat, we don’t know about what. But a minute later, Samsel is the first to approach the police line. And it’s now that the protest turns violent. “U.S.A.!” Without hesitation, the crowd overpowers the police. Nearby, a second group breaks through on another approach. Others jump fences. And now hundreds of rioters rush forward on several fronts. “D.C. is a [expletive] war zone.” Police retreat to the Capitol building where it’s becoming more threatening. “This is what we came for! Yeah!” A mob mentality begins to take hold. Police are so outnumbered, they’re forced to retreat again to more tightly defend access points to the Capitol. It’s now five minutes into the siege that the Capitol Police chief calls for backup from local law enforcement, known as the Metropolitan Police, and asks other Capitol leaders to mobilize the National Guard. “You took an oath! Does that not mean a damn thing to you, does it?” Metro Police will arrive within 15 minutes. But for reasons we’ll explain later, the National Guard won’t arrive for over four hours. “Back up! Back up!” Meanwhile, more Capitol Police come to reinforce the line. It’s the first time we see officers in riot gear. But most are missing their shields because they had not prepared to unlock the storage area where that equipment is kept. Proud Boys like Billy Chrestman keep rallying the mob. And again, they start brawling with the police. Minutes later, reinforcements from the Metro Police arrive. A high-ranking Metro officer immediately calls for more backup. They struggle to subdue rioters who respond with their own chemical spray. And within 30 minutes, the police already have casualties. [shouting] This first wave of rioters battling police has paved the way across Capitol grounds for others to follow. And after Trump finishes speaking, thousands more now fill the space. Meanwhile, inside the Capitol, Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence have begun certifying the 2020 presidential election results. Certification will happen on both sides of the building, in the House and the Senate. And this is what the rioters want to stop. An hour into the assault, the mob is battling a police line here, along the west face of the Capitol. But that violence is now going to spread to multiple points of attack, as west side rioters stream around the Capitol and incite the crowd on the east. Here’s what that crowd looks like on the east. “Stop the steal! Stop the steal! Stop the steal!” They’re aware of the siege happening on the west side, and some are emboldened by it. But up until now, they’ve been kept behind the barricades. “U.S.A.! U.S.A.!” Then this group from the west storms around to the building and pushes right through the barriers. The police here barely put up a fight. And it’s now that protesters, all along the east barricades, surge forward. [cheering] Officers are overwhelmed from several directions, and retreat to guard Capitol entrances. But these rioters believe they’ve been deputized by their president to stop a crime. And now, they start trying to get into the building itself. [shouting] [glass breaking] [pounding on door] The Capitol is now surrounded. Rioters haven’t made it inside yet, but around the time that the mob on the east pushed forward, rioters on the west were making a pivotal move. This scaffolding was erected for the upcoming inauguration of Joe Biden. It covers a staircase that gives direct access to an upper level, and dozens of doors and windows. Three police lines guard that route. But at ground level, officers are so overwhelmed that just a few cover this crucial access point. Several Proud Boys see the weakness. Proud Boys start fighting the police, and with others in the mob, they push through the line. Over several minutes, it’s a brutal fight on these steps. At one point, the rioters are held back. [groaning] But they make a final push up the flight of stairs. [cheering] At the top, they scuffle again with a small group of officers … … who give in after barely a minute. The mob now has direct access to Capitol entrances. “I can’t believe this is reality. We accomplished this [expletive].” And hundreds more protesters below, surge forward. “Let’s go! The siege is ours.” It’s utter mayhem, and it’s about to get worse. This scene is being filmed from countless angles allowing us to piece together, moment by moment, what comes next. Proud Boy Dominic Pezzola uses a police shield he stole to bash in a window. And at 2:13 p.m., the Capitol is breached. Michael Sparks, a Trump supporter from Kentucky, is the first person inside. A police officer seems unsure of what to do and backs off. Sparks is followed by Proud Boys and other far-right extremists, one carrying a Confederate flag, another armed with a baseball bat. When rioters break open the locked doors, hundreds more rush in. [shouting] [glass breaking] This is a critical moment. Officers must now defend the outside and inside of the building, stretching them even further. Simultaneous events now happen that are critical to lawmakers’ safety. Rioters head straight for the Senate, and will be at its doors in two minutes. Above them, the Senate is called into recess. “We’ll pause.” Members will evacuate down these stairs. In this hallway, directly overhead the rioters, Officer Eugene Goodman is sprinting to overtake them. He passes Mitt Romney, who he warns to turn around. Reinforcements are following behind. Goodman overtakes the mob, goes downstairs and intercepts them. He holds them off while backup arrives upstairs. Behind these rioters, and just feet away, is an escape route where the lawmakers and Senate staff are now fleeing. Just one officer stands guard. Keeping his composure, Goodman draws the mob away from that escape route to where reinforcements are waiting. Goodman: “Second floor!” He glances toward the Senate, and realizes the door is unguarded. Goodman shoves the protester again, lures the mob away, and brings them into that line of fellow officers. Again, the rioters here are convinced it’s their duty to defend democracy. “We’re not [expletive] around! Because we are mad!” [shouting] The officers hold them off here, for now. Meanwhile, on the other side of the Capitol, a few political leaders are evacuated from the House of Representatives. But despite a lockdown alert, proceedings here will resume. “The House will be in order.” We’ll go there soon. First, we’ll go to the Crypt in the center of the Capitol below the Rotunda. The mob is already at its entrance. If they get through here, they will more easily fan out across the building. Rioters jostle with police here for six minutes, and then flood through. It’s now 2:24 p.m., some 90 minutes after the siege began, and the mob is about to overrun the building. “Stop the steal! Stop the steal!” As this is happening, and as thousands more swell outside, Trump composes a tweet. Not to calm his supporters, but to blame his vice president. He writes: At this very time, Pence and his family are being taken to safety, along with an aide who’s carrying the country’s nuclear launch equipment. “O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave?” At 2:25 p.m., there’s another major breach on the opposite side of the building, the east side. Rioters have been battling a handful of officers at these doors for almost half an hour. The tide turns when rioters who came through the Crypt, reach these doors and pull them open. Then an active-duty Marine Corps officer, Christopher Warnagiris, keeps that door open for the mob to flood in. Just as elsewhere, this crowd is a mix of die-hard Trump supporters, but also more organized groups like the Oath Keepers, who move in formation here toward that east side entrance. The Oath Keepers and their supporters continue to update each other on the Zello chat app. The group enters the Capitol together. Proud Boys are near them, including Joe Biggs, the organizer we saw earlier. He’s entering the building for a second time. The Oath Keepers fill the Rotunda along with hundreds of other rioters. “Took over the Capitol. Overran the Capitol.” “We’re in the [expletive] Capitol, bro.” Now the police inside the building are completely outnumbered and call for backup. “It’s our House!” “Whose House?” “Our House!” Throughout the Capitol, staffers have barricaded doors to keep the mob out. In Nancy Pelosi’s chambers, staffers rush inside a conference room and lock two doors behind them. Just 12 minutes later, rioters outside head straight for her offices. “Nancy! Nancy!” And pile in. Huddled together under a table, Pelosi’s staff record what’s happening. One rioter tries to break into that same room. Inside, staffers are silent as they record him pounding. [loud banging] He gets through the first door, but the second door keeps him out. It’s a scene that, again, shows just how compromised the U.S. government has become. “I think I like my new dining room.” By 2:30 p.m., the Senate evacuation is well underway. But even though a lockdown was called over 15 minutes ago, the House is still in session. “Do not accept Arizona’s electors as certified.” Representative Jim McGovern is chairing. He told us he wanted to finish hearing objections to the election results by Paul Gosar. House staff and security gave McGovern the all-clear to continue. It’s a delay that likely cost someone their life. Suddenly, staff are now pointing at the chamber’s doors. Just outside, a mob of 100 or more is baying to get into them. These rioters pay little heed to the thin line of police. “They’re going. Yeah, I would just stop — bro.” And in moments, are pushing against the doors into the House. “Stop the steal!” On the other side, Capitol Police erect a barricade and draw their guns. “You’re a traitor.” On the floor, lawmakers are evacuated to the rear of the chamber, where in a few minutes a rioter will be shot and killed. Part of the mob outside now peels off in that direction to find a different way in. Ashli Babbitt, an Air Force veteran and QAnon supporter, is among the first to arrive at the rear of the House. “Open the door.” They see the lawmakers escaping. That lobby might have been clear had the House been evacuated sooner. But the rioters now become incensed. Zachary Alam, a Trump supporter from Pennsylvania, punches in the glass panels with his bare fists. [pounding on door] “Open the door.” Police are stretched extremely thin. Just three officers and a security staffer stand guard. None are wearing riot gear, and they keep their weapons holstered. “It’s going to get worse.” “Open the door.” When a team of heavily armed police now arrives, the three officers step aside. “Go! Let’s go! Get this.” This creates a crucial gap that allows rioters to smash in the glass. A warning — what happens next is graphic. It’s 2:44 p.m., and behind the door, a police officer draws his handgun. Babbitt vaults into the window and the officer shoots her once. [gunshot] “Oh! Oh!” It’s a fatal wound through the upper chest. Inside the chamber, the floor is clear, but lawmakers in the balcony are sheltering in place. [gunshot] “The [expletive]?” “Take your pins off.” “Pins off.” They now remove the breast pins that identify them as members of Congress. A group of rioters who almost made it to the balcony are held at gunpoint as it’s finally evacuated. Now Trump supporters have achieved their goal, stopping the election certification. And while the House is evacuated, at the other side of the building, the Senate is occupied. “Treason! Treason! Treason!” On the Senate floor, they leaf through lawmakers’ files. “There’s got to be something in here we can [expletive] use against these scumbags.” Mug for photos. “Jesus Christ —” Pray. “We invoke Your name. Amen!” “Amen!” And leave a message for Mike Pence. “It’s only a matter of time. Justice is coming.” As rioters inside have been rampaging throughout the Capitol, the crowd outside has grown. And that first battle has continued raging. [horn blowing] For almost two hours, officers face off with rioters who say they support the police … … but assault them, anyway. We’re going to show what happened here because it demonstrates, yet again, how failures by Capitol Police leaders to prepare put the safety of these officers at risk. “Leave him alone! Leave him alone!” Capitol Police had been ordered to withhold some of their stronger weapons. But as soon as Robert Glover, a Metro Police inspector arrives, he calls for his munitions team to help. When the building is breached, Glover knows he needs to retreat and seeks advice from Capitol leaders. [shouting] When Capitol don’t respond, he asks four times. “Push! Push! Push! Push!” Then, the police lose the line. “We the people, we are the storm!” Rioters knock an officer over, throw a fire extinguisher. “U.S.A.!” Glover issues a 10-33, the call of last resort. Crazed rioters hound the police even as they retreat to the upper level. Police now begin to guard this doorway, an iconic centerpiece of presidential inaugurations. But for another two hours, the same pattern will repeat. Rioters fill the terrace. Instigators trigger a frenzy. And tragically, someone will die. A brutal fight erupts in the doorway. The mob heaves in a coordinated scrum. [screaming] “Help!” When police finally push them out, they face even worse violence. They are tased, gassed and robbed of their equipment. They’re beaten with a crutch, a hockey stick and even an American flag. At least four officers are pulled into the crowd. One dragged by his own helmet, face down. And again, the frenzy turns fatal. Rosanne Boyland, a Trump supporter who has been swept up by QAnon conspiracies, is moving toward the door. But amid the scrum, she collapses and is lying unconscious beneath the mob. [crowd chants] “I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe!” As the crowd sarcastically chants a Black Lives Matter slogan, Boyland’s friend, Justin Winchell, tries to pull her to safety. He screams for help. But instead, fellow rioters trample over Boyland and charge at the police again. Boyland will be pronounced dead at a local hospital in the evening. By the end of the day, rioters have breached and entered the building in at least eight locations. There’s the first breach, which we’ve seen, when rioters smashed through two windows and a door. Beside that, a rioter with a crowbar smashes in a second door, and then opens it to hundreds of people. Others smash a window next to the Inauguration door and climb inside. “Patriots, we need people to stand up for our country and our Constitution.” At this entrance, police stand aside and allow rioters to stream in, unchallenged. On the north side of the building, police in riot gear yield and let the crowd in. Another three breaches are on the east side, two by the central doors into the Rotunda, and this southeast door leading to the House chamber. It’s the arrival of more Metropolitan Police and other agencies that finally turns the tide. When those officers enter the Rotunda, they clear it in just 20 minutes. As the mob is pushed back through the east doors, their rage turns to Mike Pence, who Trump attacked earlier. Metro officers also stop other rioters from entering on the west side, where the mob first broke in. But here, too, we see a crowd empowered by the belief that they’re carrying out some patriotic duty. Over the course of the day, 150 police officers are injured. After 4 p.m., Metro and Capitol Police regain control of the upper levels. The final parts of the interior are cleared by other law enforcement, including federal agencies. Tear gas and flash bangs disperse the crowd on the Inauguration terrace. The Virginia State Police and Arlington County Police help to reclaim that area. Then rioters are swiftly pushed off Capitol grounds by a reinforced police line. Only now, more than three hours after Capitol police first called them, do National Guard soldiers arrive. “You can diffuse and turn down, right now.” Troops were staging just 20 minutes away. But a recent procedural change meant the highest level of the Pentagon had to approve deployment. And Pentagon officials delayed the decision, partially in fear of bad optics, even as the Capitol was being overrun. As calm returns, the president tweets again. He repeats that the election had been stripped away, calls his supporters great patriots, and says: The aftermath of Jan. 6 has been as divisive as the lie that launched it. Even as one arm of government has indicted hundreds of rioters, Republican lawmakers continue efforts to normalize what happened with a mix of denials and conspiracy theories. “Some of the people who breached the Capitol today were not Trump supporters.” “I knew those are people that love this country, that truly respect law enforcement, would never do anything to break a law. And so I wasn’t concerned.” They include Paul Gosar, who’d been at the Trump rally. “The D.O.J. is harassing peaceful patriots across the country.” And Andrew Clyde, who we saw earlier, standing just a few feet from rioters. “There was no insurrection. And to call it an insurrection, in my opinion, is a bald-faced lie.” Republican leaders have blocked an independent investigation that could have brought new details to light. “I’ve made the decision to oppose the House Democrats’ slanted and unbalanced proposal for another commission to study the events of January the 6th.” And in May, a top Republican was ousted from the party’s leadership after blaming Trump for inspiring the riot. “And I think that the party is in a place that we’ve got to bring it back from.” None of what happened on Jan. 6 would have been possible without a huge mass of ordinary people who were proud of what they achieved. “We made it!” “Yeah! We stopped the vote!” Millions around the country still believe the violence was not only justified, but necessary. And the forces that brought them there have not gone away. “Yeah, the patriots are coming back, y’all. Hopefully, y’all will be on our side when that happens.”

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VinePair Podcast: Did Seltzer Kill Shandy?




On this episode of the “VinePair Podcast,” hosts Adam Teeter, Joanna Sciarrino, and Zach Geballe look back on the shandy movement and discuss whether they think the category can return amid the popularity of hard seltzers. Most commonly made from beer and lemonade, does the difficulty of packaging this product limit the drink?

For this Friday’s tasting, your hosts try the Red, White, and Blueberry Lemonade Naturdays from Natural Light. Can these new shandies on the market compete with the hard seltzer category this summer? Tune in to learn more.

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Adam Teeter: From VinePair’s New York City headquarters, I’m Adam Teeter.

Joanna Sciarrino: And I’m Joanna Sciarrino.

Zach Geballe: In Seattle Washington, I’m Zach Geballe.

A: And it’s the Friday “VinePair Podcast.” What up, good people?

J: Hello.

A: Grand risings.

Z: That is a reference I do not get.

J: No. What is it from?

A: There is a really nice person in the beverage industry, I will not name his name, but every time he e-mails me, he says, “Grand risings, Adam.” I love it as a salutation. I don’t really understand what it means. Grand rise is like, let’s rise. But I kind of dig it. So grand risings, and how’s everybody doing? Are you doing well?

Z: I feel like we haven’t talked about this on the show in a while and I’m now immediately curious. Adam. What are you watching?

A: Oh, what am I watching?

Z: Do you watch in the summer, or is summer not TV time for you?

A: I watch sometimes.

J: What? It’s like summer vacation when you take off from school and you don’t watch TV? We work every day.

A: I have a reading list to get through. I got my Bookit here to go. I’m going to get my free pizza. I love Bookit. So on my own, because Naomi was not into it, I have been watching “We Own This City.”

J: We just finished it.

A: I have two more episodes to go. Is it amazing?

Z: This is like “The Wire,” kind of?

J: It’s really intense.

A: So depressing.

J: Yeah, it’s really depressing.

A: Yes. David Simon went back to Baltimore to deal with the police corruption. Of course, every single review you read about it is like, “It’s an amazing show. Just really sad that literally, nothing has changed in that city since he wrote ‘The Wire’ 20 years ago.” It’s just the same. And then Naomi and I are watching “Stranger Things.”

J: Oh, we haven’t watched it yet.

A: It’s fun. I get that there are people that have issues with it this season, like why they keep going. The kids are so much older. The actors are a lot older-looking, but it’s fun. It’s just a fun show. I will finish it and I’ll be like, “That was great.” We’ve already talked about this, but I think the best show I watched in the last few months was “Hacks,” and it just got renewed.

J: I haven’t seen the latest season, but the first one was awesome.

A: Yeah, the second one’s even better. It’s very well done. And I’m very happy to hear that it’s renewed because it has an ending in the second season that you’re unsure what’s going to happen. Right when it ended, it hadn’t been renewed. So people were like, “Don’t do this to us.” Yeah, but it’s really good. It’s really good. What about you guys? What are you guys watching?

J: A few weekends ago, Evan and I watched this show called “K-Food Show: A Nation of Broth.” It’s this Korean food show. It’s incredible.

A: On what?

J: On Netflix. It’s on Netflix now. I don’t know if it’s older than that, but it’s awesome. It’s these three Korean actors, and they go around the country trying different regional broth-based soups. It’s really amazing. It’s so cool.

Z: I’m just struck by the fact that there was apparently a time when the most popular show somewhere in Scandinavia, maybe Finland, was all about stacking wood to build fires. And you would just watch this guy build fires for hours. This has a little bit of that vibe to me.

J: Was it “New Scan Cooking?” Because I loved that show. I was a big fan. No, we just saw it and we were like, “Oh, man, this looks so good.” I highly recommend it. I mean, there’s a lot of butchery and things like that. So maybe not great for Naomi. But it’s such a wonderful show. I highly recommend it.

A: I’m telling you, man, this is why Josh has this massive prediction that he thinks one of the biggest spirits in the next 10 years in the U.S. can be soju. Because we’ve had this slow trickling of Korean pop culture coming into this country in many, many forms. And obviously, the Korean American population is growing. It just feels like that could be a big spirit very soon.

J: I mean, it’s massive around the world, right?

Z: I thought you were gonna talk about broth cocktails. I thought we were going there.

J: Oh, those are happening, too, though.

A: What about you, Zach? What are you watching?

Z: The thing that I watched with Caitlin relatively recently is “Human Resources,” which is the spinoff of “Big Mouth” from Netflix.

A: Oh yeah.

Z: We had a hot take that we actually like it better than “Big Mouth,” honestly. There’s a thing about “Big Mouth” where it’s maybe just gotten to a point where they’ve done what they can do with the characters. Yeah, they have more coming in. We’ll probably see it, but you run into this issue sometimes with shows about kids or teenagers. OK, how much drama can really happen to them without it feeling kind of preposterous? This show’s already pretty preposterous, but adults can get themselves into all kinds of ridiculous situations that teenagers may not be able to quite manage yet. And then the thing I’m watching on my own is, I got tipped off to a show that I’m surprised I wasn’t aware of before, which is called “The Expanse.” It’s a sci-fi show that started in 2015 or 2016. It just wrapped up its six-season run recently, so I’m just now getting into it. But it’s got two elements that I love. One is your sci-fi noir detective storyline, which I’m always a sucker for. And then also your mysterious weapon of incredible power storyline, both of which I kind of enjoy. So yeah, it’s cool. It’s got a little “Firefly” vibes with some space detritus deal and also some high-tech stuff. It’s fun.

J: Very cool. One other thing that we’ve been watching is “The Boys.” Do you guys watch that?

Z: I watched the first season and I have the second and third on my radar, but just kind of didn’t get to it yet.

J: It’s like an anti-superhero, superhero show. It’s really good. It’s pretty whacked out and inappropriate, but really, really great.

A: Oh, that’s so good. So we all know it’s summer. It’s Friday in the summer. Before we started recording, we were talking about how my father-in-law every summer drinks a Blue Moon with an orange slice. That’s what he wants. Josh was saying he has a Tommy’s Margarita to kick off the season. Do you guys have a thing? Have you ever had a thing? Did you ever have a summer where it was your summer drink? As we’ve discussed, you can’t say rosé, unless you’re a Whispering Angel person and that’s all you drank. Have you ever had like a summer thing?

Z: I had a sangria phase for sure.

A: Wow, cool. Josh did, too.

J: Interesting. Would you just make up your first big batch of the season?

Z: I always liked white sangria better than red sangria. So as soon as the farmers markets here started having stone fruits and berries and stuff, there were definitely summers where I basically had a sangria solera in my fridge. It was just constantly getting replenished. I had a couple of sangria summers for sure.

J: OK. I don’t think I ever did. I know rosé doesn’t count. I think before VinePair, I wouldn’t drink rosé until it was actually summer or warm out. And now we drink it so much earlier here or all year round. But I don’t think I ever did. What about you, Adam?

A: Besides rosé, I never really had an Aperol Spritz phase. I like the Aperol Spritz, but it’s always been a very hard thing for me. I know that it had a huge moment where everyone was drinking it. My issue with it was that it was hard to always have the ingredients to make it at home. To always know that I had a bottle of sparkling wine and a bottle of sparkling water.

J: There are three ingredients.

A: Then I open the sparkling wine and what if I only have one or two glasses and then I’m not gonna have it until the next weekend or whatever. And then the sparkling wine is flat. I like to order it out. I guess the first Covid summer, I had a Daiquiri summer.

Z: I remember this.

A: I had a ton of Daiquiris.

J: Zach remembers.

A: That was the closest thing I had to a summer phase. A phase that a lot of people have or used to have is shandies. And I’m curious, I feel like we don’t hear about shandies that much anymore. Why do you both think that is?

J: Well, for the record, I think shandies are still out there and people still drink them and they have their summer of shandies. I think probably because of hard seltzer, but also IPAs and hazy IPAs and fruit sours also factor heavily into why those forerunners are probably less popular now.

Z: I think Joanna hit it; that category came under pressure from two sides. If you were the beer person and the beer was the part that you liked and you just wanted something a little fruitier and maybe a little lighter in the summer, then you were going to gravitate towards fruited sours. If you were like, “I like carbonated fruit alcohol drinks, “you probably got swept up in the summer of White Claw or whatever. That was probably more your vibe anyhow. And the problem for a lot of these shandies and stuff like that is, I don’t know if they can compete in either camp super strong. If you’re a beer aficionado and a diehard, you’re probably already looking down your nose at a shandy. And if you’re someone who considers calorie count, a shandy is going to come in a lot higher than most hard seltzers.

A: I was never a shandy drinker.

J: Is it a Midwest thing? I feel like I only know friends from the Midwest who really love shandies.

A: I wasn’t aware of them until they had, seven or eight summers ago, they had their push with Leinenkugel’s. I’d never heard of them before.

Z: Which is a Wisconsin brand, to Joanna’s point.

J: Oh, OK.

A: Obviously, your wife is from Wisconsin.

Z: I have been to the Leinenkugel’s brewery.

A: Were they big out West?

Z: What’s interesting is there were definitely a couple of breweries out here that were pushing shandies. Where I first encountered them was actually in restaurants. They had this period of time among staff, I would say about a decade ago, where the drink after work at the bar was a shandy.

J: Like a homemade shandy?

Z: Yeah, like a light beer and lemonade. It’s hot out, you finished work, and you’re probably sweaty or a little dehydrated. The beer and the lemonade are both good at rehydrating you and getting you some electrolytes and things like that. But also, you could have a few of them because you’re cutting it with lemonade. It’s actually half the booze, or maybe not going half, three-quarters, or one-quarter or something. But you’re still getting a similar volume but a little less alcohol. And I think that’s where they’re at their best, as a refreshing lower ABV. Again, 3 to 4 percent, something that’s very sessionable. But I think that the problem is, as we’ve talked about in other ways on this podcast, it’s a product that when it’s done right and when it’s made from scratch or you’re not really getting a prepackaged version, it can be delicious. But the problem is, to make it work in a packaged format, the lemonade component always suffers. I feel like it just isn’t very good. So now you’re ending up with this drink that’s either not hard enough and not refreshing, or just a flabby, uninteresting drink that is not beer. It’s not crisp and refreshing because it’s got something sweet added to it. Nor is it refreshing and acidic and bracing in the way that a good lemonade or lemonade-based shandy could be. So that, to me, has always been the issue with them as a packaged product.

J: But isn’t it interesting, this lemonade trend we’ve been seeing the last couple of years? Aren’t these lemonade line extensions just shandies by another name?

A: I think so. What we’re seeing and what’s really popular in the U.S. is lemonade, alcoholic lemonade. We’ve seen this in our data set for years that people really love lemonade and alcoholic lemonade. Cocktails could learn from this, too, right? How do you do that lemon-forward style? An alcoholic Arnold Palmer would crush.

Z: You mean the John Daly?

A: Yeah, I love a John Daly. But someone who creates their own brand, almost someone who makes a bottled RTD John Daly, I bet that would crush.

Z: I mean, John Daly probably could use the money.

A: I’m sure he could. If you make an alcoholic John Daly in RTD form, send it to us. But I also do wonder if part of the issue is what we’ve always said about acid when it comes to canning. It’s really hard to do well because everyone I talked to who makes RTDs, etc., and uses acid, says it’s a very fine line you walk between the level of acidity and the corrosion inside the can. Which is crazy. It starts eating the lining, which you don’t want, and if you get the acid right, there’s only 90 days or something where it actually tastes really good with the fresh juice. And after that, it starts to get really bitter and sour and not bright, refreshing acidity. It’s more like sour, gross acidity. And you don’t want that, either. I think it’s really hard to pull off. Whereas around the world where they make radlers, shandies, etc., as you said, Zach, they’re used to fresh lemonade and a beer. We’re going to go half and half in the glass, enjoy. And that’s why people love them. It’s harder to pull off. Whereas with the seltzer, it’s like, watermelon flavor — this is good. People don’t care as much about it, does this taste like beer with lemonade?

Z: Well, it is the double-edged sword of everyone’s incredible familiarity with what lemonade tastes like. It’s an incredibly sellable concept and sellable flavor, but it’s also extremely recognizable to people. We have not tried, or at least I have not tried, have you guys tried the Simply Spiked Lemonade?

J: No, it’s upstairs.

A: It’s upstairs in the fridge.

J: Yes, it is.

Z: For a future episode, we’ll do that because I’m fascinated to see if that has a believable lemonade flavor. I would imagine it kind of has to be a product they put their name on. But I don’t know.

A: Yeah, I’m so curious. I don’t know if the shandy is ever going to come back in a big way anymore, but we have a brand that’s at least trying to bring the shandy back sitting here in front of us. Joanna, do you want to tell us what we have in front of us?

J: So we have some Natural Light Naturdays Red, White, and Blueberry Lemonade Beer. It’s a light beer with natural flavor.

A: Naturdays.

J: A light lager with natural flavors.

A: Are you guys a Natty Light drinker? There is a sh*tload of flamingos. I mean, it looks like what I think Floridians think America looks like.

Z: What do Americans think Florida looks like? I don’t know, I’m confused.

A: I think both. You need a gator coming out of the water, and we’re good to go. First of all, were either of you Natural Light drinkers ever?

J: In high school? Yeah, in college.

A: Come on, drink responsibly.

J: I wouldn’t ever buy it. But if it was there…

A: I can’t remember the last time I had Natural Light. Oh, my gosh. Do you know what this smells like? It smells like the blueberry lemon from a Bomb Pop.

J: Oh, yeah. The rocket?

A: The red, white, and blue rocket pop.

Z: Oh, yes.

A: That’s what it smells like. The second you smell it is that blue lemonade, raspberry, whatever.

Z: Are you hearing the ice cream truck music in your head right now?

A: Oh, dude, there’s one that parks outside of my apartment because we’re by the park. Every evening, and then Saturday and Sunday, all day long.

Z: Is it Mister Softee?

A: It’s not a Mister Softee.

Z: I miss Mister Softee. That was a New York classic.

A: This one’s called Brooklyn Ice Cream. Not only does it have music, but then there’s clapping and “yays.” And then it plays the music and you’re just like, “ugh.” And I get it, man. But people know you’re there. They can see you. You don’t need the music. You’re parked. OK, so it smells pretty good.

Z: Let’s try it. I have to say this. It is subtler than I thought it would be.

J: Yeah. It’s not as sweet as I thought it would be.

Z: It’s not as in my face. Given the can, I was expecting to get kicked in the teeth with blueberry lemonade flavor. It’s more just a gentle tap.

J: It’s got that perfume-y flavored aftertaste to it, but it’s not overwhelmingly bitter or anything. It does still channel the Natty Light.

A: It has that rocket Bomb Pop flavor. And you know what else? It doesn’t have the aspartame aftertaste that seltzer has.

J: Because it’s not that sweet.

A: No, and it’s not trying.

Z: I actually think it’s pretty good.

A: Yeah, it’s not bad.

J: Yeah.

Z: I will be honest. They sent me 12, and I originally thought I would drink two of the 12, but I might actually drink a couple of these over the course of the summer. I don’t think it’s impossible to imagine that.

A: This is what my dad would call a lawn mowing beer for a really hot day. They did the flavor really well.

Z: It’s 4.2 percent alcohol, 133 calories. That’s not too bad.

A: No, no, come on. It’s a light beer. What do you want from it?

J: And you can still bro out with this, you know?

A: Yeah. All you need is — what are the bros wearing now? Jumpsuits.

J: What?

A: Wasn’t there a whole movement with rompers? Like the romper shorts, hanging out. Yeah, man.

J: Like overalls?

A: Like shorts.

J: A traditional romper.

Z: The kind my daughter wears.

A: Yeah, after P90X, or what is the other thing? I think it’s P90X.

J: Is it a workout thing? CrossFit.

A: CrossFit.

J: Just crush a few Naturdays.

A: And they just crush it on your forehead, and it’s the best. I mean, I’m making fun of it too much. It’s actually pretty good.

J: Yeah. Good job, Natty Light.

A: Do you think that they’re offended if you call them Natural? You’re mad at them when you call them Natural Light; they know they’ve done something wrong.

J: Formal name.

Z: They need a middle name just so I can go pull that on them.

A: Oh, Natural Light, what did you do today? Yeah. Pretty cool. Obviously, we’re having too much fun.

Z: It’s a Friday. What do people want?

A: But I’m telling you, if someone brought this to my house or to a picnic, I would have one.

Z: Yeah.

J: Good to know.

A: Don’t you dare…

Z: At a pool party?

A: Yeah. And with that, I encourage all of you to go out and try a Naturday. Joanna and Zach, I’ll talk to you on Monday.

J: Have a great weekend.

Z: Sounds great.

Thanks so much for listening to the “VinePair Podcast.” If you love this show as much as we love making it, please leave us a rating or review on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever it is you get your podcasts. It really helps everyone else discover the show.

Now for the credits. VinePair is produced and recorded in New York City and Seattle, Washington, by myself and Zach Geballe, who does all the editing and loves to get the credit. Also, I would love to give a special shout-out to my VinePair co-founder, Josh Malin, for helping make all of this possible, and also to Keith Beavers, VinePair’s tastings director, who is additionally a producer on the show. I also want to, of course, thank every other member of the VinePair team, who are instrumental in all of the ideas that go into making the show every week. Thanks so much for listening, and we’ll see you again.

Ed. note: This episode has been edited for length and clarity.

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Genius Sports Partners With Clue to Launch the Most Advanced Integrity Intelligence System in Sport




  • Genius Sports’ is the integrity partner to over 150 leagues and federations around the world, including the NFL, EPL, PGA TOUR, BWF and DFB
  • Clue provides leading intelligence and investigations software to private enterprises, police, government and sporting organizations such as the International Tennis Integrity Agency and International Cricket Council
  • Partnership delivers a unique intelligence capability to better anticipate, identify, and prevent betting-related corruption

NEW YORK & LONDON–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Genius Sports Limited (“Genius Sports” or “the Company”) (NYSE:GENI), the official data, technology and broadcast partner that powers the ecosystem connecting sports, betting and media, and Clue, a leading provider of intelligence and investigations software, have launched the most comprehensive integrity intelligence platform in world sport.

As the trusted integrity partner to over 150 leagues and federations, Genius Sports will use the new system to help anticipate and detect global trends in betting-related corruption, support investigations and provide increased visibility to sports organizations worldwide. Clue’s proprietary intelligence platform will heighten efficiency and interoperability between Genius Sports’ Integrity, Trading and Quality Assurance teams, based across four continents.

Clue’s system also provides a centralized digital vault that will house Genius Sports’ entire library of integrity risk assessment reports. The Company’s team of expert analysts will be able to access and analyze every report, cross-referenced by a detailed red, amber, or green risk assessment, graded on the potential level of integrity risk. Through Clue’s software, each report will be indexed against relevant news articles and blogs, match footage and analysis to provide an unparalleled level of integrity intelligence.

To better pre-empt and prevent criminals’ attempts to fix or manipulate sporting events, the new system will produce customized reports and dashboards, segregated by individual players, teams, match officials, competitions, and regions across multiple sports.

“From match manipulation to safeguarding and hate crime to anti-doping investigations, Clue has an inherent ability to provide a trusted solution in sports integrity,” said Phil Suddick, Head of Sport at Clue. “The partnership with Genius Sports is an amazing and unprecedented opportunity to provide protection and intelligence to over 150 sporting leagues and federations. Genius Sports and Clue have taken this golden opportunity to deter, disrupt and detect those criminals who seek to manipulate sporting events.

“Both organizations have worked proactively and collaboratively to ensure this integrity platform is able to identify, manage and share critical information, thereby reducing the risk to both the athlete and their sport.”

“This partnership with Clue is an exciting next step in our continued investment in our sports integrity offering,” said Simon Martyn, Director of Rights Enforcement & Integrity at Genius Sports. “Their leading software gives us the edge in tackling the clear and present danger of match-fixing by delivering intelligence and investigative capabilities that can help prevent, detect and disrupt betting-related corruption.”

“We’re very grateful to Clue, a global leader in intelligence software, for working so closely with us to build a highly customized solution that will be pivotal to our integrity offering going forward.”

“As Football DataCo’s integrity partner since 2014, Genius Sports has delivered the highest standards of integrity services to the English and Scottish Leagues,” said Adrian Ford, General Manager at Football DataCo. “Through its partnership with a global leader in investigative and intelligence software, Genius has strengthened its ability to help prevent and protect the integrity of UK football.”


About Genius Sports

Genius Sports is the official data, technology and broadcast partner that powers the global ecosystem connecting sports, betting and media. Our technology is used in over 150 countries worldwide, creating highly immersive products that enrich fan experiences for the entire sports industry.

We are the trusted partner to over 400 sports organizations, including many of the world’s largest leagues and federations such as the NFL, EPL, FIBA, NCAA, NASCAR, AFA and Liga MX.

Genius Sports is uniquely positioned through cutting-edge technology, scale and global reach to support our partners. Our innovative use of big data, computer vision, machine learning, and augmented reality, connects the entire sports ecosystem from the rights holder all the way through to the fan.

About Clue

Clue is an investigation and intelligence platform used globally by law enforcement, governments, private and non-profit sectors to tackle issues of corruption, human trafficking, safeguarding and fraud.

Bringing all data sources into one secure platform, Clue enables intelligence and investigations teams to surface trends and relationships, identify early warning signs, collaborate through interoperability, automate time-consuming processes, and ensure cases remain robust and compliant from first report to prosecution.

Using Clue to safeguard sports integrity, our fast growing and prestigious userbase includes International Tennis Integrity Agency, International Cricket Council and Genius Sports.


Chris Dougan, Chief Communications Officer

Genius Sports

+1 (202) 766-4430

Mark Jones, Content Manager


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